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Wandering Yellow

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To be honest, the whole thing makes me very sad but it's right people have a place to discuss it so it doesn't clog up any other threads.
 
The fact that America put pressure on Israel and they could then immediately open up aid routes proves that they were deliberately stopping aid getting through in the first place. Also that America could have stepped in much earlier to have resolved this.

Hopefully this is a step in the right direction but it's a sad indication of the world we live in that the murder of 7 International aid workers has meant more than the murder of thousands of innocent Palestinian women and children and the destruction of an entire state.

And let's also remember that Israel continue to displace and kill Palestinians in the West Bank which has nothing to do with Hamas.

I hope that we don't only see a ceasefire and aid getting to those who badly need it, but also an International peace force going in to rebuild Gaza and establish a safe haven for the 99% of innocent Palestinians whilst driving out Hamas and their ideology.
 
Takes both sides to make a ceasefire.

All those innocent deaths will only create more hatred, more Hamas fighters, more Israeli hatred of Hamas and more deaths. Rinse & repeat

Who governs it has been going on since Pompey Magnus granted it to Herod the Great

Probably the best solution was the 1947 partition but plenty of parties involved didn`t like that.

Remember you can`t impose the Western ideology of "peace & democracy" on this part of the world - look at the list of disasters The West have been involved in.
 
Scotchegg said:
The fact that America put pressure on Israel and they could then immediately open up aid routes proves that they were deliberately stopping aid getting through in the first place. Also that America could have stepped in much earlier to have resolved this.

Hopefully this is a step in the right direction but it's a sad indication of the world we live in that the murder of 7 International aid workers has meant more than the murder of thousands of innocent Palestinian women and children and the destruction of an entire state.

And let's also remember that Israel continue to displace and kill Palestinians in the West Bank which has nothing to do with Hamas.

I hope that we don't only see a ceasefire and aid getting to those who badly need it, but also an International peace force going in to rebuild Gaza and establish a safe haven for the 99% of innocent Palestinians whilst driving out Hamas and their ideology.
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99% of innocent Palestinians?, a massive percentage of them support Hamas and indeed celebrated the atrocities they carried out, of course we all want peace and the easiest way to achieve that would be the release of the hostages, maybe this is a subject to devisive for a football forum.
 
BS32 said:
99% of innocent Palestinians?, a massive percentage of them support Hamas and indeed celebrated the atrocities they carried out, of course we all want peace and the easiest way to achieve that would be the release of the hostages, maybe this is a subject to devisive for a football forum.
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Gazan Palestinians have been oppressed by Hamas as much as by Israel. There is no place for Hamas, but the idea that you drive them out by killing women and children shows that there is barbaric and backward thinking on both sides.
 
Scotchegg said:
Gazan Palestinians have been oppressed by Hamas as much as by Israel. There is no place for Hamas, but the idea that you drive them out by killing women and children shows that there is barbaric and backward thinking on both sides.
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I agree with you, untold hate on both sides, no easy answers, most conflicts come down to religion at the end of the day.
 
Essexyellows said:
Probably the best solution was the 1947 partition but plenty of parties involved didn`t like that.
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The partition that has been described as ......'one nation giving a second nation the lands of a third nation'.

1. UK
2. Israel
3. Palestine
for those who don't follow this.

Who might also be interested in this
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The Birth Of Israel: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00b91vj via @bbciplayer
 
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BS32 said:
99% of innocent Palestinians?, a massive percentage of them support Hamas and indeed celebrated the atrocities they carried out, of course we all want peace and the easiest way to achieve that would be the release of the hostages, maybe this is a subject to devisive for a football forum.
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'Seventy-two percent of respondents said they believed the Hamas decision to launch the cross-border rampage in southern Israel was "correct"'

This is the crux of the issue for me, and one many people overlook. The international community is asking Israel to aid a population, Hamas and 'civilian', that would largely support their slaughter and destruction.
 
Its to far gone for them to ever live in peace as neighbours now, can't see a solution that will be anything but temporary before it all kicks off again unfortunately.
 
chromeyellow said:
Israel has already killed around 40000 of that population including tens of thousands of women and children.

You cannot and should not punish a civilian population. Israel can’t starve the Palestinians whatever they answered an opinion poll
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I thought the latest figure is 33,000? This tally doesn't distinguish between civilians and combatants though, so we don't know how many of those 33k are Hamas. It's also worth noting that this figure doesn't distinguish between who caused the death. For example, Palestinian civilians killed by a failed Hamas rocket launch would be included in the 33,000 total.

I wouldn't say they're 'punishing' a civilian population. They're just being careful to not fuel their enemy. Unfortunately, when the enemy poses as civilians it's hard to tell the difference.
 
MustardYellow said:
I thought the latest figure is 33,000? This tally doesn't distinguish between civilians and combatants though, so we don't know how many of those 33k are Hamas. It's also worth noting that this figure doesn't distinguish between who caused the death. For example, Palestinian civilians killed by a failed Hamas rocket launch would be included in the 33,000 total.

I wouldn't say they're 'punishing' a civilian population. They're just being careful to not fuel their enemy. Unfortunately, when the enemy poses as civilians it's hard to tell the difference.
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yes Hamas Fighters look exactly like 3 year old children

The vast majority of the deaths are caused by the extremely heavily armed nuclear power which has been pounding the Gaza Strip for six months.

There are plenty of excellent reports - like this on Israeli use of AI has caused such enormous civilian casualties

(although the Israelis don’t allow press into Gaza and have killed nearly 200 journalists)

Israel has always controlled what goes in and out of Gaza - they are using starvation as a weapon. That’s one reason there’s a case of genocide
 
You’re right that the official death toll is 33000 -an estimated 7–10 000 are thought to be under the rubble . All universities have been destroyed. The hospitals & schools are rubble. Ancient churches and mosques have been destroyed 2million people -mostly already refugees -have been refugees again. Gaza is less than a tenth the size of Oxfordshire
 
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MustardYellow said:
I thought the latest figure is 33,000? This tally doesn't distinguish between civilians and combatants though, so we don't know how many of those 33k are Hamas. It's also worth noting that this figure doesn't distinguish between who caused the death. For example, Palestinian civilians killed by a failed Hamas rocket launch would be included in the 33,000 total.

I wouldn't say they're 'punishing' a civilian population. They're just being careful to not fuel their enemy. Unfortunately, when the enemy poses as civilians it's hard to tell the difference.
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The hospital being hit by a Hamas rocket was responsible for, in the words of a US intelligence assessment, "probably at the low end of the 100-300 (deaths) spectrum"

Meanwhile, as mentioned, the 33,000 deaths recorded a few weeks ago were of actual identified bodies. There are thousands that are suspected of being beneath buildings or destroyed beyond all recognition.

And Israel are absolutely punishing a civilian population. They have withheld food, water, medication and destroyed hospitals and bombed schools and refugee camps. Border crossings have been blocked that prevent citizens escaping the war zone and aid from coming in, whilst roads have also been destroyed meaning that what little aid is coming in can't be adequately distributed.

Israel have shot children in the street, they also shot their own citizens who were feeling from hostage sites, as well as bombing other sites where hostages were known to have been held. Add in the killings of aid workers, health workers and journalists, and we are seeing every example of collective punishment imaginable.
 
chromeyellow said:
yes Hamas Fighters look exactly like 3 year old children

The vast majority of the deaths are caused by the extremely heavily armed nuclear power which has been pounding the Gaza Strip for six months.

There are plenty of excellent reports - like this on Israeli use of AI has caused such enormous civilian casualties

(although the Israelis don’t allow press into Gaza and have killed nearly 200 journalists)

Israel has always controlled what goes in and out of Gaza - they are using starvation as a weapon. That’s one reason there’s a case of genocide
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It always amazes me that people always state Israel blockades Gaza but never say a word about Egypt. Israel doesn't surround Gaza on all sides so can't be solely responsible for what goes in and out.
 
BS32 said:
99% of innocent Palestinians?, a massive percentage of them support Hamas and indeed celebrated the atrocities they carried out, of course we all want peace and the easiest way to achieve that would be the release of the hostages, maybe this is a subject to devisive for a football forum.
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Have you seen any of the polls from Israel on Palestinians?
 
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