New Stadium Plans - The Triangle - Planning

Orkney Islands Yellow said:
This thread should be for members only and suspected members who are FoSB should be banned.

FoSB have been objecting on the Scoping Opinion planning application currently with Cherwell District Council, we could do with some supportive comments on there now:

Planning application search - Planning register | Planning register | Cherwell District Council

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planningregister.cherwell.gov.uk planningregister.cherwell.gov.uk
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That link wont alllow a comment - its Maurice Billington and Fiana Mawson' objection

is there an easy way to register on there to comment in support?
 
The mighty Aldo said:
Can I just say a BIG BIG thank you to the following

@Colin B
@unification
@Billyox
@Sarge
@DannyW
@Manorlounger
@Scotchegg
@bazzer9461
@SwissYellow
@Orkney Islands Yellow
@OUSP Secretary
@MJB

There are more so sorry if I’ve missed you out

But you have tackled FoSB , Middleton, Nextdoor ,KPC written to the Mail and others to put forward our case and make this happen

Hats off to you

But don’t stop there, the even harder work starts now, but thankfully with people like you amongst us I know we can win the big prize

I feel privileged to be amongst a group of friends like you

Football fans hooligans eh 😀
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Spot on.
Well done to you all.

Just a couple more? Niall McWilliams deserves a lot of credit

And Councillor Liam Walker ( a supporter)
 
Could it be net zero after X number of years, say it costs a lot of carbon to construct, but with renewable energy onsite and extra tree planting and green roofs it could offset that after a given time?
 
Common Villager said:
I'm going to post this one more time and then shut up. I think the council's stipulation that the club must produce a fully costed NET Zero Carbon Plan is quite concerning. That is going to be a monumental effort. I'm struggling to find any examples of NET Zero Carbon stadiums globally. There is a huge jump from 'environmentally friendly' to NET Zero Carbon. You are getting into the realms of requiring almost 100% renewable energy (and football stadiums use a lot of energy), the use of low embodied carbon materials (I.E. standard concrete is a no go), zero waste etc etc. As I posted on another thread, as far as I can tell, the club had targeted to a 'drive towards Net Zero Carbon', but I think that is quite different to producing a fully costed Net Zero Carbon plan at design stage.

I'll be interested to know what others think of this development?
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Is it possible to DM on this forum? I have lots of views on this as work in this space - happy to chat about it in more detail if you can DM me.
 
Camberwell_yellow said:
I'm not sure that offsetting would be ok - it's generally viewed pretty poorly and the most widely accepted Net Zero standard (https://sciencebasedtargets.org/), doesn't allow it.

I think it depends on what they want to be net zero - is it the construction or the operation of the stadium, or both? I think operation can fairly easily be Net Zero, but construction will be a lot harder to achieve. - I've got my fingers crossed for an onsite wind turbine, which I'm sure FOSB would love!
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I'm not sure I agree the operation can be fairly easily NET Zero. I'm struggling to find examples of any stadiums worldwide that profess to achieve this?
 
The mighty Aldo said:
Can I just say a BIG BIG thank you to the following

@Colin B
@unification
@Billyox
@Sarge
@DannyW
@Manorlounger
@Scotchegg
@bazzer9461
@SwissYellow
@Orkney Islands Yellow
@OUSP Secretary
@MJB

There are more so sorry if I’ve missed you out

But you have tackled FoSB , Middleton, Nextdoor ,KPC written to the Mail and others to put forward our case and make this happen

Hats off to you

But don’t stop there, the even harder work starts now, but thankfully with people like you amongst us I know we can win the big prize

I feel privileged to be amongst a group of friends like you

Football fans hooligans eh 😀
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you modestly left yourself off the 'roll of honour' @The mighty Aldo - your letters to the OM etc were as much a part of the campaign so far

thanks mate
 
Would be great to get a full planning application in to CDC by the end of this calendar year.

Back in May the timescale mentioned a planning application could go in before the end of October if a land deal could be agreed.
 
Canterburyexile said:
I for one would like to see FoSB come onboard with the planning proposals and work together with the club, the supporters and the local authorities to help transform the Triangle area into the most eco-friendly and bio-diverse stadium in the country.

There is clear agreement that the club should be leased the land, clear agreement that Oxford United FC is a huge community asset to both the city and the county and clear agreement that the build and management of the club should be positive and progressive in terms of its environmental impact.

It would be the mature option, and I hope Mr Middleton et al recognise that they will have far more influence if they work alongside all the other stakeholders rather than against them.
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The problem with that is that FoSB would have to compromise from their end goal: no stadium at all. First it was keeping the playing fields and woodland safe on Stratfield Brake, then it turned to stopping the stadium happening on a bit of disused ground in between two busy roads. They’ve shown no signs of budging.

I fear if FoSB accept an invite to the table, all they’d do is snatch the plans and try to rip them up - it would be consistent with the petulant manner in which they’ve approached this process so far.

I don’t see any area where FoSB’s input would help, as the club seems to be addressing each and every concern ordinary folk have about the stadium process.
 
battman said:
The problem with that is that FoSB would have to compromise from their end goal: no stadium at all. First it was keeping the playing fields and woodland safe on Stratfield Brake, then it turned to stopping the stadium happening on a bit of disused ground in between two busy roads. They’ve shown no signs of budging.

I fear if FoSB accept an invite to the table, all they’d do is snatch the plans and try to rip them up - it would be consistent with the petulant manner in which they’ve approached this process so far.

I don’t see any area where FoSB’s input would help, as the club seems to be addressing each and every concern ordinary folk have about the stadium process.
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Yep. I’d encourage the club to work with environmental experts and local groups that can make use of the stadium’s facilities.

FoSB isn’t either of those things.
 
It’s looking like good news so far. Still a long way to go. Does anyone know who will own the land if it is leased to Oxford United FC? If it’s a long lease that would give us some surety for the future.
I would love to know how long it will be before all supporters will be ecstatic at the prospect of the new ground
 
Plenty more battles ahead but in this one we beat the forces of darkness. They will try to be sneakier now, they know they don’t have it in them to win a head on battle, we have the numbers, the brains (not me obviously but some of you others are proper clever, probably got an o level or two) and we are on the side of decency.

Today is a good day, hopefully plenty more to come.
 
I have no experience in this area but clearly producing a fully costed net-zero plan is going to be more work and will cost more money for our owners. However it is a forward thinking and responsible approach, and it could open up the possibility for innovation and probably green government incentives. The stadium will need to be pioneering to be net-zero, but given Bakyrie's involvement with COP I imagine this is something he will have a genuine interest and belief in it.
 
Canterburyexile said:
I for one would like to see FoSB come onboard with the planning proposals and work together with the club, the supporters and the local authorities to help transform the Triangle area into the most eco-friendly and bio-diverse stadium in the country.

There is clear agreement that the club should be leased the land, clear agreement that Oxford United FC is a huge community asset to both the city and the county and clear agreement that the build and management of the club should be positive and progressive in terms of its environmental impact.

It would be the mature option, and I hope Mr Middleton et al recognise that they will have far more influence if they work alongside all the other stakeholders rather than against them.
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The issue is that FOSB aren't 'Friends' of SB or the Triangle at all. They want nothing there and would astroturf the site tomorrow if it stopped development on it. The environmental aspect is a smokescreen. It has been shown in the last 24 hours that they entertained having Trax take over the site simply as a means to delay proceedings further.

Woodland Trust and BBOWT should be consulted and informed way ahead of FOSB.

We're not going to change everyone's minds here. Leave FOSB to stew about this. They're not worth bringing onside as they're not interested even if we built a mini rainforest on the roof.
 
Paul Cannell said:
DM ing is possible but it would be clunky to say the least. @Northstandboy can we get a thread set in the members-only forum section, or is that readable by non-members?
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You could, but there are members of FoSB who are also members on here (we don't cancel people), suggest you DM if you want to be sure who is reading it
 
Peterdev said:
It’s looking like good news so far. Still a long way to go. Does anyone know who will own the land if it is leased to Oxford United FC? If it’s a long lease that would give us some surety for the future.
I would love to know how long it will be before all supporters will be ecstatic at the prospect of the new ground
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It'll still be OCC's land. This is why the arrangement works so well. No unscrupulous landlord who can sell the land from under the club's feet, OCC lease the land so they don't have to maintain it and the club have a long stay at the site.
 
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